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I wanted to remove a permission from a user group in ManageWiki. But that was not possible. Because there was no option to remove the permission.
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Unknown Object (User) added a comment.May 19 2022, 18:49

What group and what permission?

In T9250#187328, @Agent_Isai wrote:

What group and what permission?

Any group and permission. I just want to exempt the permission from that group.

Unknown Object (User) added a comment.May 19 2022, 18:52

Yes but is there a specific permission you want to remove from a group that you can’t?

In T9250#187331, @Agent_Isai wrote:

Yes but is there a specific permission you want to remove from a group that you can’t?

No.

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Actually, I wanted to scratch the permissions like the one on the right.

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Striking it out is like revoking it, and on our case, revoking a right from a particular group doesn't strikes it out, it gets disappeared entirely from the group.

You can manage your wikis user group permissions right at the Special:ManageWiki/permissions then, choosing the user group you want to work on, moving further, there are several tabs there, the first one (Assigned Permissions) houses the permissions the group currently have, that is where you can untick a particular right that you want to remove from the group, then save. The second tab (Unassigned Permissions) houses the rights the group currently doesn't have, here you can add a right that you want to the group to have that it currently doesnt.

In T9250#187337, @Ugochimobi wrote:

Striking it out is like revoking it, and on our case, revoking a right from a particular group doesn't strikes it out, it gets disappeared entirely from the group.

You can manage your wikis user group permissions right at the Special:ManageWiki/permissions then, choosing the user group you want to work on, moving further, there are several tabs there, the first one (Assigned Permissions) house the permissions the group currently have, that is where you can untick a particular right that you want to remove from the group, then save. The second tab (Unassigned Permissions) houses the rights the group currently doesn't have, here you can add a right that you want to the group to have that it currently doesnt.

I know it

But I don't want to remove a permission, I want to revoke that permission from that group.

How exactly are you having issues removing a permission from a group?

But I don't want to remove a permission, I want to revoke that permission from that group.

There's no difference here, removing the right from the group is same thing as revoking the right from the group....

I wanted to remove the "read" permission from a user group, but I cannot remove that permission because the "user" group has the same permission.

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Unknown Object (User) added a comment.May 19 2022, 20:03

Please mark your wiki as private in Special.ManageWiki/core to revoke read from the user group.

In T9250#187344, @Agent_Isai wrote:

Please mark your wiki as private in Special.ManageWiki/core to revoke read from the user group.

I don't want to make my wiki private.

I want to limit permission from only one group.

I wanted to remove the "read" permission from a user group, but I cannot remove that permission because the "user" group has the same permission.

What is the group you want to remove it from?

And as far as I know, you can not make your wiki unreadable for a any group, unless it's a private wiki.

In T9250#187349, @Ugochimobi wrote:

And as far as I know, you can not make your wiki unreadable for a any group, unless it's a private wiki.

Please set this configuration setting; https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:User_rights#Changing_group_permissions

In T9250#187348, @Ugochimobi wrote:

I wanted to remove the "read" permission from a user group, but I cannot remove that permission because the "user" group has the same permission.

What is the group you want to remove it from?

I want the action I want to do to be specific to that group.

LisafBia raised the priority of this task from Normal to Unbreak Now!.May 19 2022, 20:46
RhinosF1 lowered the priority of this task from Unbreak Now! to Normal.May 19 2022, 20:47
Unknown Object (User) added a comment.May 20 2022, 05:08

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Actually, I wanted to scratch the permissions like the one on the right.

This needs to be done on our end, using $wgRevokePermissions configuration.

So please let us know what specific right(s) you want revoked, and from what usergroup(s) you want them revoked from.

It can't, doing so currently requires a configuration change.

Ok. then I will wait for an update to ManageWiki.

You can just make a configuration change request on here as you would anything else not currently in ManageWiki, as was indicated above.

This task is already requesting a configuration change.

This task is already requesting a configuration change.

Can you please confirm that you want to revoke the "read" right from the "*" user group?

In T9250#187420, @Ugochimobi wrote:

This task is already requesting a configuration change.

Can you please confirm that you want to revoke the "read" right from the "*" user group?

Revoking a right from a group is different than removing it, revoking means that anyone with that group cannot possess that right even if another group they're in gives it to them. Revoking read from user would disable read for absolutely everyone. This doesn't appear to be a request for that.

In T9250#187421, @chrs wrote:
In T9250#187420, @Ugochimobi wrote:

This task is already requesting a configuration change.

Can you please confirm that you want to revoke the "read" right from the "*" user group?

Revoking a right from a group is different than removing it, revoking means that anyone with that group cannot possess that right even if another group they're in gives it to them. Revoking read from user would disable read for absolutely everyone. This doesn't appear to be a request for that.

Yeah, this makes sense, but it seems @LisafBia is confused with everything

Unknown Object (User) added a comment.May 20 2022, 16:04

Can't be used on ManageWiki?

There are eventual plans to potentially support that for ManageWiki (T9195), but no for now it doesn't, and may not for awhile.

In T9250#187423, @Ugochimobi wrote:
In T9250#187421, @chrs wrote:
In T9250#187420, @Ugochimobi wrote:

This task is already requesting a configuration change.

Can you please confirm that you want to revoke the "read" right from the "*" user group?

Revoking a right from a group is different than removing it, revoking means that anyone with that group cannot possess that right even if another group they're in gives it to them. Revoking read from user would disable read for absolutely everyone. This doesn't appear to be a request for that.

Yeah, this makes sense, but it seems @LisafBia is confused with everything

Please read this page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRevokePermissions

Unknown Object (User) added a comment.May 20 2022, 22:06

This task is already requesting a configuration change.

Which is? As far as I've seen, you have not told us the right you want revoked, or the group you want it revoked from.

This task is already requesting a configuration change.

Which is? As far as I've seen, you have not told us the right you want revoked, or the group you want it revoked from.

I said it in terms of adding a new option to ManageWiki.

Unknown Object (User) closed this task as Declined.EditedMay 20 2022, 23:55
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It won't be done anytime soon. Probably a few months at least before I even get to considering some of that. So in this case, this task is declined. Apologies for the inconvenience.